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TITUS 2 | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Titus 2:3-5 – not as sexist as you may think. Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is old! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not. However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the SERVICE | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Posts about service written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of RethaFaurie)
MYTH: “EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE IS ABOUT BOTH PARTNERS GIVING Christian egalitarians do not believe less in self-sacrifice and 100% giving in marriage than complementarians do. Egalitarians believe that both need to give 100%, and neither could dodge responsibility because something is the non-negotiable God-given role of the other. GRIME: THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH AND THE COUNCIL FOR BIBLICAL Acts, Chapter 8. 26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, a writer for CBMW: “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”).FEDERAL HEADSHIP
Posts about federal headship written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie) DOES YOUR CHURCH OR COMMUNITY REALLY BELIEVE IN MALE Egalitarians believe men and women are equals before God. Complementarians believe they are equal but have different roles. The majority of secularists in the Western world will say they believe men and women are equally worthy as people, but they would not add the "before God" part. If you want to see if your community FEMINISM FOR DUMMIES: WE DO NOT ASK WOMEN TO ACT LIKE MEN There is a statement that makes feminists of all stripes cringe. Call it false testimony, call it the straw man fallacy, call it begging the question, the point still remains: This is not an accurate representation of feminism.Whether we talk of the first wave, second wave or third wave, whether we talk of Christian egalitarianism, radical feminism or liberal feminism, this pervasive lie never PATRIARCHY, MODESTY AND TRAINING UP CHILDREN: WHO ARE THE In the real world, we let those people who apparently can control their urges lead us morally, while the babies who cannot are protected from temptation. In “Christian” patriarchy, those who don’t lead (women and girls) have to take responsibility for the urges of the leaders (men), up to the point of blaming the women for the man’ssin.
WAS SARAH RADICALLY OBEDIENT? (POSSIBLE CONTEXT FOR 1 PET Was Sarah radically obedient? (Possible context for 1 Pet. 3:6) September 11, 2011. Her husband told her to go. “Let Abimelech take you up in his harem, otherwise he may kill me.”. Sarah did just that. (See Genesis 20) In our modern mindset, that sound like the most radical wifely obedience in the whole of the 66 books that make up theBible.
PENTECOST | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Freebibleimages is a great site for Bible teachers – but their pictures on Pentecost – males with flames, males speaking about God, male listeners asking about the message, males fellowshipping together – do not reflect the truth of God’s spirit coming to gift allflesh, of a
TITUS 2 | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Titus 2:3-5 – not as sexist as you may think. Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is old! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not. However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the SERVICE | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Posts about service written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of RethaFaurie)
MYTH: “EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE IS ABOUT BOTH PARTNERS GIVING Christian egalitarians do not believe less in self-sacrifice and 100% giving in marriage than complementarians do. Egalitarians believe that both need to give 100%, and neither could dodge responsibility because something is the non-negotiable God-given role of the other. GRIME: THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH AND THE COUNCIL FOR BIBLICAL Acts, Chapter 8. 26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, a writer for CBMW: “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”).FEDERAL HEADSHIP
Posts about federal headship written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie) DOES YOUR CHURCH OR COMMUNITY REALLY BELIEVE IN MALE Egalitarians believe men and women are equals before God. Complementarians believe they are equal but have different roles. The majority of secularists in the Western world will say they believe men and women are equally worthy as people, but they would not add the "before God" part. If you want to see if your community FEMINISM FOR DUMMIES: WE DO NOT ASK WOMEN TO ACT LIKE MEN There is a statement that makes feminists of all stripes cringe. Call it false testimony, call it the straw man fallacy, call it begging the question, the point still remains: This is not an accurate representation of feminism.Whether we talk of the first wave, second wave or third wave, whether we talk of Christian egalitarianism, radical feminism or liberal feminism, this pervasive lie never PATRIARCHY, MODESTY AND TRAINING UP CHILDREN: WHO ARE THE In the real world, we let those people who apparently can control their urges lead us morally, while the babies who cannot are protected from temptation. In “Christian” patriarchy, those who don’t lead (women and girls) have to take responsibility for the urges of the leaders (men), up to the point of blaming the women for the man’ssin.
WAS SARAH RADICALLY OBEDIENT? (POSSIBLE CONTEXT FOR 1 PET Was Sarah radically obedient? (Possible context for 1 Pet. 3:6) September 11, 2011. Her husband told her to go. “Let Abimelech take you up in his harem, otherwise he may kill me.”. Sarah did just that. (See Genesis 20) In our modern mindset, that sound like the most radical wifely obedience in the whole of the 66 books that make up theBible.
HOW DID PAUL AND PETER UNDERSTAND SUBMISSION? When the church talk of wives submitting to husbands, they tend to quote Paul and Peter, the writers of Eph 5:21-24 and 1 Peter 3:1 respectively. So, to see what these apostles meant with submission, we could look at how they lived, and compare that to their words. How Paul lived out their submission Paul MODESTY AND RESPECT FOR SCRIPTURE This picture – the black and white, not the red – is a screenshot from “A return to Biblical Modesty”, a pdf book by Mrs. Daphne Kirkland: According to Mrs. Kirkland, “ SMOKE AND MIRRORS: A REVIEW OF THE DANVERS STATEMENT (PART The result that the Danvers Statement wants to create, is to make us believe in “Biblical manhood and womanhood” – the idea that certain things are male roles and others are female roles. So, when evaluating the Danvers statement, I kept this question central: Is this a good reason for Biblical manhood and womanhood? What 15 REASONS WHY “CHRISTIAN DOMESTIC DISCIPLINE” IS A (My regular readers certainly won't need the teachings in this blog post. This post is for those who reach this blog via search engines. Please, regulars, be my fellow teachers here. Comment to improve on what is said here and to add to it.) There is actually a thing called “Christian Domestic Discipline”, in which BEING ALL GOD MADE YOU TO BE You need: > 2 small boxes - Write "boy" on one box, "girl" on the other > Clear space on a table (if the children are few enough to sit in one row/ circle, or if you are on a stage with them below, clear floor space may be preferred) > Small pieces of blank BENEVOLENCE IN THE CHRISTIAN BEDROOM- IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT Benevolence in the Christian bedroom- It’s not all about sex. April 1, 2011. Danni Moss tells a tragic story: in one of his screaming rages, Gary swore he would never come near me in an intimate way again. And he proceeded to denigrate me so horribly that I could certainly not initiate anything and retain a shred of self respect WHAT’S WRONG WITH PURITY BALLS? ONE VIRGIN’S PERSPECTIVE 3) Purity balls are man-ian, not Christ-ian: Incidentally, God’s desire for all Christians – male and female – to lead a sexually pure life, and men’s desire for a pure/ faithful wife, overlaps here. Therefore, the man-centered fathers could take their daughters to a ball where man’s desire for a pure wife God’s desire for herlife
DID PAUL FIND “WOMEN KEEP SILENT” PREPOSTEROUS? (PART 2 Different views on how to understand 1 Cor 14:34-35 Possibility1) The complementarian view: Women should indeed keep silent. It is the simplest interpretation of those 2 verses, in isolation. But it runs into lots of trouble when compared to the rest of the passage. It seems to contradict "all have a psalm/ doctrine/ tongue/ revelation/ WOMAN AND MAN IN GOD’S DESIGN: MY RESPONSE TO JOY MAGAZINE Woman and man in God’s design: My response to JOY magazine. January 9, 2012. “He commanded that I give up my car, my tv, my guitar, etc, I complied with only a whimper of protest. I didn’t have the rights to own things anymore. I was a wife now, and my husband was my spiritual authority. . So later, when my husband gave me lists for HOW CHURCH SEXISM COLOURS YOUR VIEW OF BIBLE WOMEN How church sexism colours your view of Bible women. July 25, 2015. If you look through dark glasses, everything seems dark. If the Bible is seen through women-are-evil-or-insignificant glasses, every woman in the Bible will look that way. Biblegateway.com had, until very recently, an article blaming Dinah for her rape (Genesis 34). TITUS 2 | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Titus 2:3-5 – not as sexist as you may think. Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is old! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not. However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the PENTECOST | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Freebibleimages is a great site for Bible teachers – but their pictures on Pentecost – males with flames, males speaking about God, male listeners asking about the message, males fellowshipping together – do not reflect the truth of God’s spirit coming to gift allflesh, of a
MYTH: “EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE IS ABOUT BOTH PARTNERS GIVING Christian egalitarians do not believe less in self-sacrifice and 100% giving in marriage than complementarians do. Egalitarians believe that both need to give 100%, and neither could dodge responsibility because something is the non-negotiable God-given role of the other. SERVICE | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Posts about service written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of RethaFaurie)
GRIME: THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH AND THE COUNCIL FOR BIBLICAL Acts, Chapter 8. 26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, a writer for CBMW: “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”).FEDERAL HEADSHIP
Posts about federal headship written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie) DOES YOUR CHURCH OR COMMUNITY REALLY BELIEVE IN MALE Egalitarians believe men and women are equals before God. Complementarians believe they are equal but have different roles. The majority of secularists in the Western world will say they believe men and women are equally worthy as people, but they would not add the "before God" part. If you want to see if your community FEMINISM FOR DUMMIES: WE DO NOT ASK WOMEN TO ACT LIKE MEN There is a statement that makes feminists of all stripes cringe. Call it false testimony, call it the straw man fallacy, call it begging the question, the point still remains: This is not an accurate representation of feminism.Whether we talk of the first wave, second wave or third wave, whether we talk of Christian egalitarianism, radical feminism or liberal feminism, this pervasive lie never PATRIARCHY, MODESTY AND TRAINING UP CHILDREN: WHO ARE THE In the real world, we let those people who apparently can control their urges lead us morally, while the babies who cannot are protected from temptation. In “Christian” patriarchy, those who don’t lead (women and girls) have to take responsibility for the urges of the leaders (men), up to the point of blaming the women for the man’ssin.
WAS SARAH RADICALLY OBEDIENT? (POSSIBLE CONTEXT FOR 1 PET Was Sarah radically obedient? (Possible context for 1 Pet. 3:6) September 11, 2011. Her husband told her to go. “Let Abimelech take you up in his harem, otherwise he may kill me.”. Sarah did just that. (See Genesis 20) In our modern mindset, that sound like the most radical wifely obedience in the whole of the 66 books that make up theBible.
TITUS 2 | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Titus 2:3-5 – not as sexist as you may think. Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is old! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not. However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the PENTECOST | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Freebibleimages is a great site for Bible teachers – but their pictures on Pentecost – males with flames, males speaking about God, male listeners asking about the message, males fellowshipping together – do not reflect the truth of God’s spirit coming to gift allflesh, of a
MYTH: “EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE IS ABOUT BOTH PARTNERS GIVING Christian egalitarians do not believe less in self-sacrifice and 100% giving in marriage than complementarians do. Egalitarians believe that both need to give 100%, and neither could dodge responsibility because something is the non-negotiable God-given role of the other. SERVICE | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Posts about service written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of RethaFaurie)
GRIME: THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH AND THE COUNCIL FOR BIBLICAL Acts, Chapter 8. 26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, a writer for CBMW: “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”).FEDERAL HEADSHIP
Posts about federal headship written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie) DOES YOUR CHURCH OR COMMUNITY REALLY BELIEVE IN MALE Egalitarians believe men and women are equals before God. Complementarians believe they are equal but have different roles. The majority of secularists in the Western world will say they believe men and women are equally worthy as people, but they would not add the "before God" part. If you want to see if your community FEMINISM FOR DUMMIES: WE DO NOT ASK WOMEN TO ACT LIKE MEN There is a statement that makes feminists of all stripes cringe. Call it false testimony, call it the straw man fallacy, call it begging the question, the point still remains: This is not an accurate representation of feminism.Whether we talk of the first wave, second wave or third wave, whether we talk of Christian egalitarianism, radical feminism or liberal feminism, this pervasive lie never PATRIARCHY, MODESTY AND TRAINING UP CHILDREN: WHO ARE THE In the real world, we let those people who apparently can control their urges lead us morally, while the babies who cannot are protected from temptation. In “Christian” patriarchy, those who don’t lead (women and girls) have to take responsibility for the urges of the leaders (men), up to the point of blaming the women for the man’ssin.
WAS SARAH RADICALLY OBEDIENT? (POSSIBLE CONTEXT FOR 1 PET Was Sarah radically obedient? (Possible context for 1 Pet. 3:6) September 11, 2011. Her husband told her to go. “Let Abimelech take you up in his harem, otherwise he may kill me.”. Sarah did just that. (See Genesis 20) In our modern mindset, that sound like the most radical wifely obedience in the whole of the 66 books that make up theBible.
PENTECOST | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Freebibleimages is a great site for Bible teachers – but their pictures on Pentecost – males with flames, males speaking about God, male listeners asking about the message, males fellowshipping together – do not reflect the truth of God’s spirit coming to gift allflesh, of a
EVE | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Eve is worse than Satan! says LaCigol. In Genesis 3:16, a judicial decree was given to the woman that the man will rule over her. So, it is God’s will that she let the man rule. God will judge her for not letting the man rule. – complementarian argument. Here is a similarargument:
GRIME: THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH AND THE COUNCIL FOR BIBLICAL Acts, Chapter 8. 26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, a writer for CBMW: “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). DOES YOUR CHURCH OR COMMUNITY REALLY BELIEVE IN MALE Egalitarians believe men and women are equals before God. Complementarians believe they are equal but have different roles. The majority of secularists in the Western world will say they believe men and women are equally worthy as people, but they would not add the "before God" part. If you want to see if your community HOW DID PAUL AND PETER UNDERSTAND SUBMISSION? When the church talk of wives submitting to husbands, they tend to quote Paul and Peter, the writers of Eph 5:21-24 and 1 Peter 3:1 respectively. So, to see what these apostles meant with submission, we could look at how they lived, and compare that to their words. How Paul lived out their submission Paul MASCULISM | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Posts about masculism written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of RethaFaurie)
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Sometimes, I hear Christians mentioning porn. They agree (at least to each other’s faces) that it is bad, but many of them seem to thinkthe main issue with
SMOKE AND MIRRORS: A REVIEW OF THE DANVERS STATEMENT (PART The result that the Danvers Statement wants to create, is to make us believe in “Biblical manhood and womanhood” – the idea that certain things are male roles and others are female roles. So, when evaluating the Danvers statement, I kept this question central: Is this a good reason for Biblical manhood and womanhood? What WOMEN ARE MORE EASILY DECEIVED? I previously showed how 1 Tim. 2:11-15 cannot be taken on face value. But here is one thing in it that the complementarians don't even take on face value, but read things into that are not supported by anything else: Driscoll state it this way: Without blushing, Paul is simply stating (in 1 Tim 2) DID PAUL FIND “WOMEN KEEP SILENT” PREPOSTEROUS? (PART 2 Different views on how to understand 1 Cor 14:34-35 Possibility1) The complementarian view: Women should indeed keep silent. It is the simplest interpretation of those 2 verses, in isolation. But it runs into lots of trouble when compared to the rest of the passage. It seems to contradict "all have a psalm/ doctrine/ tongue/ revelation/BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD
Domestic abuse is always about power and control Red Flags” Of An Abusive Personality: 2. CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR: At first, the batterer will say this behavior is because they are concerned for your safety, a need for you to use time well or to make good decisions” TITUS 2 | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Titus 2:3-5 – not as sexist as you may think. Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is old! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not. However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the WOMEN | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Men should lead? Responding to Wbmoore (Part 3) Ruling the household. Several places in the Bible historically calls someone a “head/ruler of the home”* without teaching he should be. Wbmoore mentions them in among others this sense (from his response on part 1)FEDERAL HEADSHIP
Posts about federal headship written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie) MYTH: “EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE IS ABOUT BOTH PARTNERS GIVING Christian egalitarians do not believe less in self-sacrifice and 100% giving in marriage than complementarians do. Egalitarians believe that both need to give 100%, and neither could dodge responsibility because something is the non-negotiable God-given role of the other.MALE HEADSHIP
Male headship before the fall: God’s message, or human perversion of Scripture? Part 1. According to Wayne Grudem, male headship has been part of God’s plan from creation. BENEVOLENCE IN THE CHRISTIAN BEDROOM- IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT Benevolence in the Christian bedroom- It’s not all about sex. April 1, 2011. Danni Moss tells a tragic story: in one of his screaming rages, Gary swore he would never come near me in an intimate way again. And he proceeded to denigrate me so horribly that I could certainly not initiate anything and retain a shred of self respect WHY DO SOME SCHOLARS THINK HEAD MEAN SOURCE? CATHERINE For thence is derived the root of the nerves and bones.35. Athanasius stated, “For the head (which is the source) of all things is the Son, but God is the head (which is the source) of Christ.”38. Cyril, Archbishop of Alexandria, wrote of Adam: Therefore of our race he became first head, which is source, and was of the earth and earthy. PATRIARCHY, MODESTY AND TRAINING UP CHILDREN: WHO ARE THE In the real world, we let those people who apparently can control their urges lead us morally, while the babies who cannot are protected from temptation. In “Christian” patriarchy, those who don’t lead (women and girls) have to take responsibility for the urges of the leaders (men), up to the point of blaming the women for the man’ssin.
WAS SARAH RADICALLY OBEDIENT? (POSSIBLE CONTEXT FOR 1 PET Was Sarah radically obedient? (Possible context for 1 Pet. 3:6) September 11, 2011. Her husband told her to go. “Let Abimelech take you up in his harem, otherwise he may kill me.”. Sarah did just that. (See Genesis 20) In our modern mindset, that sound like the most radical wifely obedience in the whole of the 66 books that make up theBible.
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Domestic abuse is always about power and control Red Flags” Of An Abusive Personality: 2. CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR: At first, the batterer will say this behavior is because they are concerned for your safety, a need for you to use time well or to make good decisions” TITUS 2 | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Titus 2:3-5 – not as sexist as you may think. Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is old! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not. However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the WOMEN | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Men should lead? Responding to Wbmoore (Part 3) Ruling the household. Several places in the Bible historically calls someone a “head/ruler of the home”* without teaching he should be. Wbmoore mentions them in among others this sense (from his response on part 1)FEDERAL HEADSHIP
Posts about federal headship written by Retha Faurie. Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie) MYTH: “EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE IS ABOUT BOTH PARTNERS GIVING Christian egalitarians do not believe less in self-sacrifice and 100% giving in marriage than complementarians do. Egalitarians believe that both need to give 100%, and neither could dodge responsibility because something is the non-negotiable God-given role of the other.MALE HEADSHIP
Male headship before the fall: God’s message, or human perversion of Scripture? Part 1. According to Wayne Grudem, male headship has been part of God’s plan from creation. BENEVOLENCE IN THE CHRISTIAN BEDROOM- IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT Benevolence in the Christian bedroom- It’s not all about sex. April 1, 2011. Danni Moss tells a tragic story: in one of his screaming rages, Gary swore he would never come near me in an intimate way again. And he proceeded to denigrate me so horribly that I could certainly not initiate anything and retain a shred of self respect WHY DO SOME SCHOLARS THINK HEAD MEAN SOURCE? CATHERINE For thence is derived the root of the nerves and bones.35. Athanasius stated, “For the head (which is the source) of all things is the Son, but God is the head (which is the source) of Christ.”38. Cyril, Archbishop of Alexandria, wrote of Adam: Therefore of our race he became first head, which is source, and was of the earth and earthy. PATRIARCHY, MODESTY AND TRAINING UP CHILDREN: WHO ARE THE In the real world, we let those people who apparently can control their urges lead us morally, while the babies who cannot are protected from temptation. In “Christian” patriarchy, those who don’t lead (women and girls) have to take responsibility for the urges of the leaders (men), up to the point of blaming the women for the man’ssin.
WAS SARAH RADICALLY OBEDIENT? (POSSIBLE CONTEXT FOR 1 PET Was Sarah radically obedient? (Possible context for 1 Pet. 3:6) September 11, 2011. Her husband told her to go. “Let Abimelech take you up in his harem, otherwise he may kill me.”. Sarah did just that. (See Genesis 20) In our modern mindset, that sound like the most radical wifely obedience in the whole of the 66 books that make up theBible.
BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD
Domestic abuse is always about power and control Red Flags” Of An Abusive Personality: 2. CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR: At first, the batterer will say this behavior is because they are concerned for your safety, a need for you to use time well or to make good decisions” PENTECOST | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Freebibleimages is a great site for Bible teachers – but their pictures on Pentecost – males with flames, males speaking about God, male listeners asking about the message, males fellowshipping together – do not reflect the truth of God’s spirit coming to gift allflesh, of a
LEADERSHIP | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Humble leadership say: “I know I am not always right, I know you do not always have to follow me. But in this topic, I know something, and I will share it with you. Follow if you are convinced .”. But complementarian leadership, at its humblest, could only say: “I know I am not always right, but you always have to follow me. AUTHORITY | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD HEADSHIP Bible: Genesis 2 and 3. You know the HEADSHIP (Husbandly & Ecclesiastical Authoritative Dominance, Subverting Her Into her Place) Bible?John Piper and Gavin Peacock just gave us another peek into their Bibles. This time, it is from Genesis 2 and 3. WHY DO SOME SCHOLARS THINK HEAD MEAN SOURCE? CATHERINE For thence is derived the root of the nerves and bones.35. Athanasius stated, “For the head (which is the source) of all things is the Son, but God is the head (which is the source) of Christ.”38. Cyril, Archbishop of Alexandria, wrote of Adam: Therefore of our race he became first head, which is source, and was of the earth and earthy. HELPMEET | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Evi confronts a spouse cheater “If a woman work outside her home, she is being a helpmeet to another man. This is the equivalent of cheating on her husband,” said Evi’s patriarchal sister-in-law, Sandy. Of course, this is very judgmental of Sandy, as Evi works for asalary.
JOY/JUIG | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD The new issue of JUIG and JOY are on the magazine racks. JOY contains the short letter I send them, with a link to this post. JUIG, the Afrikaans sister, do not contain my letter, or anything of the sort, at all. JOY contains three letters on the matter: > A letter from “Minister Kenneth Emmanuel sr.” , GREEK | BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD Submit, how? The wife’s “proper place” Hypotasso (spelled hupotasso in some sources), translated into English Bibles as submit, (as in, for example, the verses that wives have to submit) is a combination of two Greek words. REAL WOMANHOOD: DO MEN HAVE IT TOO? Joyful men without self-pity or complaining are Real Women. Get it. portrays chastity, modesty and reverence in her manner, and wears the ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is her true beauty. (1 Pet. 3:3-4, Titus 2:4-5) Men have to be chaste and reverent too, and be gentle (that same Greek word is used in Mat 5:5) and quiet (that DID PAUL FIND “WOMEN KEEP SILENT” PREPOSTEROUS? (PART 2 Different views on how to understand 1 Cor 14:34-35 Possibility1) The complementarian view: Women should indeed keep silent. It is the simplest interpretation of those 2 verses, in isolation. But it runs into lots of trouble when compared to the rest of the passage. It seems to contradict "all have a psalm/ doctrine/ tongue/ revelation/BIBLICAL PERSONHOOD
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A 1950s ad with “traditional gender roles” You know the scenario in which Daddy goes to work to provide, and Mommy stays at home with the kids. You have even heard of people who claim that this is the Biblical™ Will of God for all Men and Women. (If you read this blog before, you probably know that I don’t thinkthis is Biblical.)
Have you ever noticed the way they speak of work? Women’s paid work is seen as selfish. Women’s unpaid work is not recognized as work. Men’s paid work is seen as an effort to get money for theirfamilies.
Work does not, in complementarian doctrine, get described as a mission, as a way of giving love, as help to society, as a witness to the world. The contents of what men and women do outside the home seldom get discussed by complementarians. When it does, it is often in the class of this quote: > “If a woman’s job involves a good deal of directives toward men, > they will need to be non-personal in general. If they don’t, men > and women won’t flourish in the long run in that relationship > without compromising profound biblical and psychological issues.>
> Conversely, if a woman’s relationship to a man is very personal, > then the way she offers guidance and influence will need to be more > non-directive. My own view is that there are some roles in society > that will strain godly manhood and womanhood to the breaking > point…” – John Piper to a woman who wants to be a police > officer, in a sound clip at Desiring God. In this type of work discussion, people are afraid that certain jobs may take people out of their pink and blue boxes. There is more to work than that. Whether you are a truck driver or teacher, a nail technician or a nuclear scientist, a librarian or a landscape artist, a short order cook or a stationery store owner, you only get paid for one reason. This reason applies to both owners of their own businesses as well as wage earners. YOU GET PAID BECAUSE SOMEONE BELIEVES YOUR WORK IS WORTH SOMETHING. You gave your boss or customer something they wanted, and they paid you for it. We should put our Christianity into the things we do, and our jobs or careers are no different. The purpose of your job – whether you are a man or a woman – is not just about earning an income, it is living out our gifts and serving the world. Maybe this is another place where complementarian doctrine falls shortAdvertisements
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ON BEING A REAL WOMAN, UNDECEIVED BY FLOWERY PROSEMay 20, 2019
Is the content of the flowery prose true, or not? Have you ever heard religious people saying things designed to get other believers to agree, but which has no substance? Here is one of those examples. It is full of Christianese like being created by God and giving in to God’s design, but never gives evidence that what it advocates for is actually God’s design: > “A real woman is a woman who recognizes that she has been > exquisitely and perfectly created by a loving God for a unique > purpose. Out of genuine gratitude, awe, and a desire to please her > Maker, a real woman joyfully embraces her femininity and submits > every aspect of her identity – the attitudes and affections of her > heart and mind, her appearance, her manners, her speech, her > ambitions, and her beliefs – to God’s original and unique design > for her as a woman. A real woman understands that God designed > femininity because masculinity was not enough in itself to represent > God’s image and glory. The differences between men and women > glorify God, and downplaying these differences downplays God’s > glory. A real woman wants to bring glory to God by being a woman.” This is one of those deceptive paragraphs where someone with a pre-decided notion surrounds his notion with religious-sounding language. A similar example will be someone who believes God called blondes to other roles than brunettes (an idea not in the Bible) andthen saying:
> “A real blonde recognizes that he has been exquisitely and > perfectly created by a loving God for a unique purpose. _(Unique > does not mean the same as other blondes/ other women. Yet this kind > of message calls all blondes or all women to the same “role”.)_ > Out of genuine gratitude, awe, and a desire to please his Maker, a > real blonde joyfully embraces his hair colour and submits every > aspect of his identity to God’s original and unique design for him > as a blonde. _(No evidence is given that God’s design for blondes > differs from His design for brunettes.)_ He understands that God > designed blondness because dark hair was not enough in itself to > represent God’s image and glory. _(Does God say that was His > motive, or is it their interpretation?) _The differences between > blondes and brunettes glorify God, _(If that meant not dyeing your > hair/ not going for gender reassignment surgery, I could follow the > argument. But once other things except for hair colour/ genitalia is > seen as “being blonde/ being feminine”, then the argument is > deceptive.) _and downplaying these differences downplays God’s > glory. _(By the same measure, do you downplay the glory of God if > you pretend there are more differences than the ones God intended? > If you call some commands from God the job of blondes to keep, do > you discourage non-blondes from keeping God’s commands?) _A real > blonde wants to bring glory to God by being blonde. People, blonde and brunette and redheaded and grey and bald, are made in God’s image. So are men and women. People, blonde and brunette and redheaded and grey and bald, should be what God called them to be. So should men and women. But the same way the previous paragraph doesn’t actually tell us anything about living for God as a blonde, such flowery prose don’t tell us anything about living for God as awoman.
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IF GENDER ROLES ARE GOOD FOR WOMEN, DO NOT TELL USMay 1, 2019
Sometimes, people on my Facebook timeline shared this: If Jesus is enough, what is the point of a second and third umbrella? Should anything stand between wives/ children and Jesus, as in thispicture?
Regular readers of my blog will know why the message is problematicand less than true:
* The protection of Jesus has no holes, and therefore other umbrellas beneath Him are a waste. * God calls husbands and wives to protect and love one another – itis not one-sided.
* The picture comes from cult leader Bill Gothard to say that children who disobey their parents/ wives who disobey they husbands move out from God’s protection (what authorities want, he says, is in line with what God wants). Gothard used this view to blame sex abuse victims for allegedly bringing it on themselves.
When we point out problems with this, someone jumps in: _“You are getting it wrong! This umbrella/ gender roles, in general, are about God wanting women protected. Men are taught in Ephesians to love and to give up their lives for women…”_ Read the rest of this entry »CATEGORY:
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HOW SHOULD AN EGALITARIAN CHURCH DISCUSS SEXUALITY WITH ITS YOUTH?February 12, 2019
When I was a teen, I loved Christian youth camps. But there was one thing that I did not care for: It seems most camps, had, on one particular day, The Lesson. That one where somebody who is not afraid of the topic tells us we are not supposed to get sexually active, and why this is harder for boys, and how girls should be careful how theydress …
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DO COMPLEMENTARIANS NOT UNDERSTAND THEMSELVES, OR DO THEY UNDERSTANDAND LIE TO US?
January 20, 2019
Once more, I read one of those: “Complementarians are NOT like this, you characterize us wrong” article s. But they always sound like: “_We would NEVER advocate for playing music loudly! We only say people should crank up the volume! We do NOT advocate for disturbing the peace, only that your neighbours should always hear your music! We are against noise! We only say that music should not be played at a low volume and that you should buy quality speakers that could handle a lot of sound. Oh, and some people who do not read this blog also plays music loudly, so it is not my fault if my fans do. Nobody hates loud music more than me.”_ To quote this article: > MYTH #1: COMPLEMENTARIANISM IS OBSESSED WITH MALE AUTHORITY.>
> …Complementarianism… in reality focuses on … God’s … > binary design where the HUSBAND’S LEADERSHIP is exercised through > love and servant leadership and women are included as significant > participants in the church’s mission. A biblical perspective of > the male-female relationship in the church’s ministry DOESN’T > PICTURE A MAN WIELDING AUTHORITARIAN LEADERSHIP… > Myth #3: … Because of AFFIRMATION OF MALE > LEADERSHIP AND AUTHORITY… WHAT I SEE: _“We are not obsessed with male authority, only with male leadership! And we affirm male leadership and male authority!”_
Love, servanthood, and women included as significant participants are the egalitarian focus (too). The thing which makes them complementarian as opposed to egalitarian is, indeed, their focus onmale leadership.
Whether he calls it leadership or authority or both, it comes down to telling others what to do. Leadership could be beneficial at times – if I do not know the way out of a forest but my guide does, I would let her (or him) lead. However, complementarians never explain the real difference between their leadership and lording it over her. What kind of leadership is no wiser than the one being led, but does not act on the power or right to give orders? What kind of leadership is loving and beneficial when the leader knows no better than thefollower?
> MYTH #2: COMPLEMENTARIANISM CONFINES WOMEN TO THE HOME > … but these roles are to be lived out by God’s grace and are > freely entered by a woman as instructed by Scripture… her divine > calling in relation to her husband and children. In Paul’s > letter to Titus, women are called to be “workers at home” and to > love their husband and children. We believe that the joy and work of > women’s lives will be best lived out as she centers herself > primarily on her family and in her home. > … complementarianism is not ruling out that women ever work > outside the home. In fact, it’s commonly acknowledged that the > married woman of Proverbs 31 was active in the community while still > being centered in her home… Overreactions are common, however, > such as insisting that women may engage in any activity outside the > home with virtually no or minimal concern for God’s specific > creation purpose for each gender. This is contrary to biblical > teaching and deeply problematic. WHAT I SEE: _“Complementarian women are not literally confined to the homes, but every step away from their homes, husbands and children is a step away from God’s creation purpose for them.”_ I never met anyone who claimed that complementarians literally chain the ankles of bare-footed, pregnant women to the kitchen table, so this message tells me exactly what I already know aboutcomplementarians.
> MYTH #3: COMPLEMENTARIANISM LEADS TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SPOUSAL> ABUSE.
> … implicating complementarianism with domestic violence is based > on a misconception of what complementarianism in fact teaches > regarding the true nature of male authority … It should also be > noted that abuse of women is in no way limited to one side of this> debate…
> So, the charge that complementarianism insufficiently condemns or > unwittingly condones or can lead to domestic violence and spousal > abuse is manifestly untrue. Recent complementarians have gone on > record to state unequivocally that they strongly condemn and oppose > any form of domestic violence and spousal abuse. In their > “Statement on Abuse”1 adopted March 12, 2018, which follows > earlier, similar statements, the board of directors of the Council > on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, the principal complementarian > organization, writes, “We condemn all forms of physical, sexual > and/or verbal abuse.” Powered by wordads.co Thank you for submitting the report! Seen ad many times Not relevant Offensive Covers content Broken Report this ad WHAT I SEE: _“We are against abuse! Only, we leave out that abuse is tied to controlling the partner, and that
our teachings indeed want men to control lead women. We recommend the controlling, we shame men for not controlling well and women to not accepting control leadership.”_ Also, a charge is not “manifestly untrue” if what happened was not your true intention. If “_complementarianism leads to domestic violence and spousal abuse_” only when misunderstood, it is still true that the message was a factor.> Myth #1: …
> Complementarianism, the myth goes, is tantamount to being anti-women > or anti-women-in-ministry with the intent of keeping women out of > positions of leadership in the church, the corporate world, and the > political sphere…>
> MYTH #4: COMPLEMENTARIANISM ONLY LIMITS WOMEN’S ACCESS TO THE > PASTORAL OFFICE. > … the biblical teaching on gender is much more thoroughgoing and > profound than a singular negative stipulation would convey, … in > other contexts where the teaching of Scripture or the exercise of > spiritual leadership occurs, this should be carried out by qualified > men… It is the teaching and ruling authority that leadership roles > entail that is at issue here.>
> …The full-orbed creation mandate for man and woman, and its > implications for masculine and feminine identity and roles, should > be a concerted focus of attention from the pulpit and be upheld in > our churches as beautiful, worthy, and desirable… WHAT I SEE: _“Complementarianism is not like being anti-women with the intent of keeping women out of leadership. It only keeps women out of leadership. It is beautiful and worthy to keep women out of leadership, not anti-women.”_ How is it not anti-women? _“Because we say it is not anti-women!”_ > MYTH #5: COMPLEMENTARIANISM CAN AND SHOULD BE CULTURALLY> COMPATIBLE…
> It is sometimes alleged that complementarianism is advocated out of > traditionalism or conservatism regarding men’s and women’s > identities and roles… it is doubtless true that some hold to > complementarian teaching because of underlying traditionalism or > conservatism… mischaracterization of complementarianism as merely > traditional… try to accommodate their teaching and practice to the > culture … complementarianism… is profoundly countercultural, > if not culturally unacceptable. WHAT I SEE: _“Our teaching is not compatible with any tradition or culture, not even traditional or conservative culture, but some hold to complementarian teaching because of their traditionalism orconservatism.”_
If it is incompatible with traditional or conservative culture, how do people manage to be conservative/ traditional and complementarian? > Myth #1: …the beauty of complementarity within God’s purposeful > and beautiful binary design … Myth #2: …the joy and work of > women’s lives… part of his blueprint for the man’s and > woman’s mission on earth to be lived out together for his glory… > Myth #3:.. God-honoring marriages among complementarians… exhibit > the beauty of God’s complementarian design in practice. Myth #4: > …The full-orbed creation mandate for man and woman, and its > implications for masculine and feminine identity and roles, should > be … upheld in our churches as beautiful, worthy, and > desirable…God’s glorious plan for them… Myth #5: > …complementarianism in all its glory and truth…joy of living and > teaching God’s design for man and woman… WHAT I SEE: _“Complementarianism is beautiful, I tell you! And true, and glorious, and worthy, and desirable, and joyous, and did I mentionbeautiful?”_
Neither Köstenberger nor other complementarians ever explain how men leading women, women not being encouraged to use their gifts outside the home, denouncing only some aspects of abuse, women not teaching, and living in a way the culture notices as regressive is beautiful,true, and glorious.
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DO EGALITARIANS THINK MEN AND WOMEN ARE INTERCHANGEABLE?October 29, 2018
Don’t you sometimes wish you could help people understand you better? Or at least, when disagreeing with you, engage your actual arguments and not straw man versions of them? Today, I want to draw little pictures to help with understanding a much-misunderstood point about egalitarians. Please share these pictures with those whomisunderstand.
1) A COMMON MISPERCEPTION OF EGALITARIANS Rebekah Hargraves demonstrates this incorrect idea when she writes “Why I’m Neither an Egalitarian nor a Complementarian”(May 18,2018):
> “I am not an egalitarian because egalitarians are of the belief > that there are no inherent differences between the genders in how > they are to operate … An egalitarian believes that men and women > are, more or less, interchangeable in regards to roles and functions > in the home and church.” Similarly, in “a marriage made in hell” (October 15, 2018, on the “Desiring God” website), Greg Morse writes: > “omofunctional marriage” consists of two different sexes that > function identically… interchangeable…” This is not what egalitarianism means! To explain where this perception comes from, we first need to remember what complementarianssay.
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Complementarians believe in gender “roles” and hierarchy: They see one slot that all women should fit into, then another slot which all men should fit into. My diagram below has the male slot somewhat bigger because the “role” of leader and decision maker offers a lot more wriggle room. Referring back to the first diagram, we could say that complementarians see the group of women on the left of the picture, and then assert “_They are interchangeable, I see no difference_.” They then look right and see the men, and say: “_They are interchangeable, I see no difference._” Powered by wordads.co Thank you for submitting the report! Seen ad many times Not relevant Offensive Covers content Broken Report this adEGALITARIANISM
Egalitarians tear down and throw away the molds with slots. We do not force people to fit through one-size-fits-all-women and one-size-fits-all-men slots. Those who think of life as fitting into a slot are horrified when they hear this: “_No more separate slots for men and women? Wait, should we all fit into one slot, then?”_ But egalitarians do not erect a new mold at the spot where the other two was torn down – we encourage everyone to live out their owngifts.
WE WANT TO BREAK DOWN GENDER ROLES EXACTLY BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE: When things are interchangeable, nobody agonizes over which one is chosen: It doesn’t matter at all which teaspoon in the set of six is used most often, and which one found its way to the back of thecutlery drawer.
* If there were no inherent differences between husband Peter and wife Pamela, it would really not matter if he is the final decision maker on everything. His decisions on everything would be from the same perspective as hers, equally wise and equally right for her too. But a marriage could use two capable decision makers because each has its own strengths and knowledge. * If there were no inherent differences between Rob and Rita’s parenting, it would not matter if their children spent 100% of the time with Rita and none with Rob. Rita would have been everything to them Rob could be. Still, it is preferable for both parents to be involved in child raising, because the father has qualities the motherdoes not.
* If your congregation has two people called by God to preach, Jill and Josh, silencing Jill would hardly be an issue if Jill and Josh were interchangeable. You would hear all the sermons from Josh you could possibly hear from Jill. But because Jill is not Josh, because she hears from God in other ways and is interested in other areas of scripture, you may miss out.CATEGORY:
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TITUS 2:3-5 – NOT AS SEXIST AS YOU MAY THINKOctober 26, 2018
Two weeks ago, I reached a small milestone: The ripe old age of 45. When I was 10, I thought 45 is_ old_! Then again, it was older than my parents were at the time. Maybe 45 qualifies me as an “older woman”, maybe it does not.From Getty Images
However, I think it is finally time to teach a text in which the Bible calls older women to teach (urge, in this particular translation)younger ones:
> 3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they > live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach > what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their > husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy > at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no > one will malign the word of God. – Titus 2:3-5 WHAT THIS PASSAGE DOES NOT TEACH: Many women were taught an interpretation of this text which is not in there. So, we will start with what it DOES NOT say. For that, compare these two quotes, and then see if you agree with me which one is like verse 4 : Read the rest of this entry »CATEGORY:
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